experiments with a CAPTRET
(November 30TH 2012)
What is a CAPTRET?
This name is the concatenation
of the apocope of "CAPACITOR" and the apheresis
The CAPTRET was discovered by "Ibpointess2".
You can 'google' or 'youtube' CAPTRET or
CAPTRET Ibpointless2 you will get an huge
of vids and informations. BTW "LaserSaber" is also
a very very creative experimenter (and notably a CAPTRET guru).
unconventional way to use electrolytic capacitors leads to strange and
A picture could be useful:
can charge your capacitor with the normal way:
After some seconds - it takes
time even with no resistor - the cap voltage will reach the bat
Or this way:
both cases, I used a 600 micro F/150 Volts cap. After "more" seconds the cap
voltage will only reach about 80% of the the bat voltage.
So, what is the point?
The gist is that you
can charge this capacitor very fast and (apparently) with few "current".
The very simple setup is here:
proceedings are the following:
Short out the cap just to read zero voltage across it.
Connect BAT1 and Bat2. Switch opened.
Monitor the cap voltage.
As soon (this takes 2 or 3 seconds) as a voltage is building up (saying
3 or 4 volts), Close the the switch. Just give a short impulse.
and behold you cap will be charged up to VB1 + VB2 voltage. More
precisely I got about 97% of
You can now disconnect the bat1 (as
bat2 was just used during less than a second).
You now have a fully charged cap to do whatever you
For those who are nitpicking
about "ghost charge", may I suggest that they short out the charged
capacitor with theirs little podgy fingers. :))))
Update (December 1th 2012).
I have built a less messy set-up and have made some more
I have used, for BAT1, a mere 1.5 Volts (depleted) AA
bat and, for BAT2, 2 packs of 6 AA bats in series
(about 22 volts).
let BAT1 wired. I call this bat the "exciter". As soon as I saw
some voltage (could be Milli volts), I hand pressed a push button and
the cap meter was promptly showing about 22 volts. Then I
shorted out the cap with a screwdriver so see nice sparks...
Of course the aim is
not to sparkle but to figure out whether or not you can get
something useful out of this very very simple circuit (too simple to
my next experiment, I will:
- try to automatize the switching with a timer from
a CD4093 (DC supply
voltage 3 to 15 volts) and a MOSFET
- monitor the amperes going out of the "working" bat.
- add a resistor
- add a load to the CAPTRET
For those who could be interested in some replications:
#1: It might be possible that the electrolytic cap have to be "conditioned". Be reassured, nothing to do with this kinda frustrating statement: yes, my
device is self running but to replicate it you have to utilize
these "conditioned" magnets and I will not tell you how you can do it!
Yeah, "Open Source"!
Why I'm I talking about "conditioning"? Because, by experience, I
know that these electrolytic capacitors are strange beasts and (mainly)
because I unintentionally charged my CAPTRET backward:
Do not do this or try it?
#2: According to Dr Stiffler these CAPTRETs are very dangerous. He insists
that you can bow these electrolytic capacitors and scatter some nasty chemicals.
Update (December 3th 2012).
I did more. After some crude "measurements", my "Revisited
CAPTRET" sounds not 'OU'. These measurements consisted in eyes
monitoring 2 amp meters and estimating a time. I saw some fast "peaky"
amps drawing. This ain't measuring, indeed.
I tried this:
I guess that this poor cap do not like "backward" (inverted) voltage.
Then, I tried this:
The 2 caps are (most of time)
showing half the voltage of the bat, depending upon the way I hand
pressed the 2 switches. I can get 15/15 volts or 25/5 volts. Yes, this
Please notice that the "Cap" (see picture) seems not to have to
be charged! It always remains some few voltage across it.
You just have to press switch #2 and then press switch #12
I suspect that two switchs are useless and that switch #1 and #2 could be replaced by one single circuit breaker. Thing to do.
Anyway, it seems that there might be no lost. For ex:
Now: not any claimed "OU" effect here.
"capacitor charging loss (Not the two capacitor issue.)"
Yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that when discharging a charged cap
into an empty one, half of the NRG is lost. Very simple maths and (too?) simple experiments can "prove" this.
I did not know (I'm not a scientist) that the same phenomenon also
exists when charging a cap with a bat (= any power supply). Of
course, it is very difficult to figure this out. Is It not?
Anyway, some of my previous experiments (these were not my ideas but just replications) suggested that:
- You do not lose any NRG. Should you be a little bit 'tricky' and not pathetically too simple.
- You even can gain some "Coulomb" - But no NRG - With a Kinda 'Joule
Thief' between the charged cap and the empty one. This JT being fed by
the charged cap. Of Course!
You can consult my (old) web page about this: http://freenrg.info/Condos/
In this page, you can (also) find some informative links.
Update (December 5th 2012)
Some scientific pdfs about capacitors that I found on the Internet:
- Charging a capacitor
- Entropy change when charging a capacitor: A demonstration experiment
- Ideal capacitor circuits and energy conservation
- Two-capacitor problem: A more realistic view
- A Capacitor Paradox
- Energy consideration from non-equilibrium to equilibrium state in the process of charging a capacitor
- Charging a Capacitor via a Transient RLC Circuit
All these full of maths very
articles are are most of time over my head. Anyway, I sounds like that
the 'problem' is not yet fully fixed.
I have also made this experiment;
hope that this picture is self explanatory. This confirms that
you do not need 2 batteries but the that BAT1 can be replaced by
another capacitor (even discharged). I just pressed switch #2 and then
switch #1. One single switch not yet tested.
What is funny is the behavior of the "Electret" (between A and B)
in the Cap2. In the experiment it shows 12 volts but it reaches
this value only after few seconds. It begins by displaying a
negative voltage. I only guessed the shape of the curve.
What might be considered as 'OU' is the following:
When you short circuit Cap2 between A and C. All is 'lost'. V A-C = V A-B = 0 . OK. Normal.
But, when you short circuit A and B. The voltage between A and C remains the same and the voltage between A and B
return, after few seconds, at is original value. This is the "electret" effect. Yes, this will not save the World Energy Crisis indeed, but, IMO, it is worth to be more tested. Is it not?
Actually, Ibpointless2, was claiming OU in this vid: "Captret PROOF OF OVERUNITY "
I can not resist quoting one user in one forum: "you cant claim overunity because 1 charge = 2 flashes. that would be comparing apples to
oranges. you would have to measure the charge going in and compare it
to the 2 charges coming out to see if they were a greater energy."
IMO, Ibpointless2, in his vids was not comparing apples to oranges but big apples to small one. And this is not forbidden. Is it?
Now, Is the Electret and 'OU' devices that is a question.... What is
'OU', what is a 'device' and what is a question could
be questioned also...
Update (December 6th 2012)
this capacitor dead? Sounds not. Is it not
"conditioned" ? Is it giving me the cold shoulder ? I
dunno. The Moon was in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio. But this, IMO,
does not add nothing to any explanations. Does it?
to get more certitude about this CAPTRET, I made one
more quick experiment using another 600 micro F (150 Volts)
Honesty binds me to tell that this capacitor did not behave as
expected. Or more precisely, behave "normally". With a 12 volts (4Ah)
battery it took practically no time to charge it and I did not observe
any "Electret Effect".
The plot Thickens...
I have to do my tests again.
Anyway, trying to figure out what a CAPTRET could physically look
like, I found this web page: "Electrolytic capacitors". http://www.ami.ac.uk/courses/topics/0136_ec/index.html
I used this picture:
So, my CAPTRET "Saga" is continuing...
Update (December 7th 2012)
I finally found out what was going wrong with my third Cap. The capacitor itself was OK. But the CAPRET was defective. A picture:
I should had too "martyrized" this poor Cap#3 with this device:
I usually use this kinda clamping ring to fasten the "0" wire to the capacitor casing.
La suite au prochain numéro...