Proposed experiments with a CAPTRET
(November 30TH 2012)


What is a CAPTRET?
This name is the concatenation of the apocope of  "CAPACITOR" and the apheresis of "ELECTRET". The CAPTRET  was discovered by "Ibpointess2". You can 'google' or  'youtube'  CAPTRET or  CAPTRET  Ibpointless2  you will get  an huge bunch  of vids and informations. BTW  "LaserSaber" is also a very very creative  experimenter (and notably a
CAPTRET guru).

IMO,  this unconventional way to use electrolytic capacitors leads to strange and unusual  phenomena.


A picture could be useful:


You can charge your capacitor with the normal way:



After some seconds - it takes time even with no resistor - the cap voltage will reach the bat voltage .

Or this way:


In both cases, I used a 600 micro F/150 Volts cap.  After "more" seconds the cap voltage will only reach about 80% of the the bat voltage.



So, what is the point?

The gist  is that you can charge this capacitor very fast and (apparently) with few "current".

The very simple setup is here:


The proceedings are the following:

Short out the cap just to read zero voltage across it.
Connect BAT1 and Bat2.  Switch opened.
Monitor the cap voltage.
As soon (this takes 2 or 3 seconds) as a voltage is building up (saying 3 or 4 volts), Close the the switch. Just give a short impulse.

Lo and behold you cap will be charged up to VB1 + VB2 voltage. More precisely I got about 97% of (VB1+VB2) voltage.

You can now
disconnect the bat1 (as bat2 was just used during less than a second).

You now have a  fully charged cap to do whatever  you want.

For those who are nitpicking about "ghost charge", may I suggest that they short out the charged capacitor with theirs little podgy  fingers. :))))

Update (December 1th 2012).

I have built a less messy set-up and have made some more experiments.

I have used, for BAT1,  
a mere 1.5 Volts (depleted) AA bat and, for BAT2,  2  packs of 6 AA bats in series (about 22 volts).

I let BAT1 wired. I call this bat the "exciter". As soon as I saw some voltage (could be Milli volts), I hand pressed a push button and the cap meter was promptly showing about 22 volts.  Then I shorted out the cap with a screwdriver so see nice sparks...

Of course the aim is not to sparkle but to figure out whether or not  you can get something useful out of this very very simple circuit (too simple to be good?).


For my next  experiment, I will:
-  try to automatize the switching with a timer from a CD4093 (DC supply voltage 3 to 15 volts) and a MOSFET
- monitor the amperes going out of the "working" bat.
- add a resistor
- add a load to the CAPTRET



For those who could be interested in some replications:

#1: It might be possible that the electrolytic cap have to be "conditioned".  Be reassured, nothing to do with this kinda frustrating statement:  yes, my device is self running but to replicate it you  have to utilize these "conditioned" magnets and I will not tell you how you can do it!  Yeah, "Open Source"!

Why I'm I talking about "conditioning"?  Because, by experience, I know that these electrolytic capacitors are strange beasts and (mainly) because  I unintentionally charged my CAPTRET backward:


Do not do this or try it?





#2: According to Dr Stiffler these CAPTRETs are very dangerous. He insists that you can bow these electrolytic capacitors and scatter some nasty chemicals.

SO?


 Update (December 3th 2012).

So,  I did more.  After some crude "measurements", my "Revisited CAPTRET" sounds not 'OU'. These measurements consisted in eyes monitoring 2 amp meters and estimating a time. I saw some fast "peaky" amps drawing.  This ain't measuring, indeed.

I tried this:


I guess that this poor cap do not like "backward" (inverted) voltage.


Then, I tried this:

The 2 caps are (most of time) showing half the voltage of the bat, depending upon the way I hand pressed the 2 switches.  I can get 15/15 volts or 25/5 volts. Yes, this is puzzling.

Please notice that the "Cap" (see picture) seems not to have to be charged!  It always remains some few voltage across it.  You just have to  press switch #2 and then press switch #12 and voila...
I suspect that two
switchs are useless and that switch #1 and #2 could be replaced by one single circuit breaker. Thing to do.

Now: not any claimed "OU" effect here.

Anyway,  it seems that there might be no lost. For ex:
"capacitor charging loss (Not the two capacitor issue.)"
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=292838

Yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that when discharging a charged cap into an empty one, half of the NRG is lost. Very simple maths and (too?) simple experiments can "prove" this.

I did not know (I'm not a scientist) that the same phenomenon also exists when charging  a cap with a bat (= any power supply). Of course, it is very difficult to figure this out.  Is It not?

Anyway, some of my previous experiments (these were not my ideas but just replications) suggested that:
- You do not lose any NRG. Should you be a little bit 'tricky' and not pathetically too simple.
- You even can gain some "Coulomb" - But no NRG - With a Kinda 'Joule Thief' between the charged cap and the empty one. This JT being fed by the charged cap. Of Course!

You can consult my (old) web page about this: http://freenrg.info/Condos/
In this page, you can (also) find some informative links.


Update (December 5th 2012)

Some scientific pdfs about capacitors that I found on the Internet:

- Charging a capacitor
- Entropy change when charging a capacitor: A demonstration experiment
- Ideal capacitor circuits and energy conservation
- Two-capacitor problem: A more realistic view
- A Capacitor Paradox
- Energy consideration from non-equilibrium to equilibrium state in the process of charging a capacitor
- Charging a Capacitor via a Transient RLC Circuit

All these full of maths very articles are are most of time over my head. Anyway, I sounds like that the 'problem' is not yet fully  fixed.

I have also made this experiment;



I hope that this picture is self explanatory.  This confirms that you do not need 2 batteries but the that  BAT1 can be replaced by another capacitor (even discharged). I just pressed switch #2 and then switch #1. One single switch not yet tested.

What is funny is the  behavior of the "Electret" (between A and B) in the Cap2.  In the experiment it shows 12 volts but it reaches this value only after few seconds. It begins by displaying a negative voltage.  I only guessed  the shape of the curve.

What might be considered as 'OU' is the following:
When you short circuit Cap2  between A and C. All is 'lost'. V A-C = V A-B = 0 . OK. Normal.
But, when you short circuit  A and B. The voltage between
A and C remains the same and  the voltage between A and B
return, after few seconds, at is original value. This is the "electret" effect.  Yes, this  will not save the World Energy Crisis indeed, but, IMO, it is worth to be  more tested. Is it not?

Actually, Ibpointless2, was claiming OU in this vid: "Captret PROOF OF OVERUNITY "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPCUdGA-AI

I can not resist quoting one user in one forum: "you cant claim overunity because 1 charge = 2 flashes. that would be comparing apples to oranges. you would have to measure the charge going in and compare it to the  2 charges coming out to see if they were a greater energy."

IMO,
Ibpointless2, in his vids was not comparing apples to oranges but big apples to small one. And this is not forbidden. Is it?

Now, Is the Electret and 'OU' devices that is a question.... What is 'OU', what is a 'device' and what is a question could be questioned also...


Update (December 6th 2012)

Willing to get more certitude about this CAPTRET, I made one more quick experiment using another 600 micro F (150 Volts) capacitor.

Honesty  binds me to tell that this capacitor did not behave as expected. Or more precisely, behave "normally". With a 12 volts (4Ah) battery it took practically no time to charge it and I did not observe any "Electret Effect".
The plot Thickens.
..

Is this capacitor  dead?  Sounds not.  Is it not "conditioned" ?  Is  it  giving me the cold shoulder ? I dunno. The Moon was in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio. But this, IMO, does not add nothing to any explanations.  Does it?

I have to  do my tests again.


Anyway,  trying to figure out what a CAPTRET could physically look like,  I found this web page: "Electrolytic capacitors".  
http://www.ami.ac.uk/courses/topics/0136_ec/index.html

I used this picture:




My interpretation (might "Cathode" and "Anode" be swapped?):





While laboriously "MsPainting" this picture, I suddenly remembered the 'C-Stack' from Cris Paltenghe.

Some links here:

The C-stack from Cris Paltenghe

http://jnaudin.free.fr/cstack/index.htm

“C-stack” Experiment
http://mrchillersalternativeenergy.blogspot.fr/2012/08/c-stack-experiments.html

The inverse of the "Inverse Transformer"
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6000-inverse-inverse-transformer.html

So, my CAPTRET "Saga" is continuing...


Update (December 7th 2012)

I finally found out what was going wrong with my third Cap. The capacitor itself was OK. But the CAPRET was defective.  A picture:


I should had too "martyrized" this poor Cap#3 with this device:

I usually use this kinda clamping ring to fasten  the "0"  wire to the capacitor casing.


La suite au prochain numéro...